Jennifer Yepez-Blundell, Co-founder and COO of Drafted

Erik 00:00

We want to welcome all of our listeners to another episode of MRP, Minority Report podcast with Eric and Karel. Each episode, we talk with real operators and leaders in media, tech and business and today, joining us is Jennifer Yepes Blundell, who's co founder and COO of drafted is also a girl mom, wife and ehana. Jennifer, welcome.

Kerel 00:32
Welcome to the show.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 00:34

Thank you for having me.

Erik 00:36

Absolutely we're thrilled you're joining us, and can't wait to jump into all the great stuff you're working on, but Jennifer, tell us what's going on in Texas these days.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 00:46

Listen, as you mentioned in that beautiful intro, I am a girl mom, so I have two little girls. So besides raising these two beautiful little kids in Texas, and they're young, they're five and seven. So they keep us busy. Yeah. So just, you know, if I'm not building the business or building and working on my relationship with my beautiful husband, I am making sure these kids are, like, not running with scissors and are getting exercise and eating protein. So busy life right now.

Erik 01:17
Yeah, I can only imagine. You know, those are great ages too, and now they're starting to have a lot more personality, right? And start to show you those sides, right?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 01:27

Yes, you know, full of personalities. I am one of two. I have an older sister as well, and I feel like God gave me two little girls to kind of like a little bit of karma, but also just like a whole lot of responsibility, yeah, and two completely different personalities, and so just learning how to parent that. And the little one started Kinder this year. And so we're just cruising along. Jennifer,

Erik 01:48

I want to ask you a little bit about being a female founder. But I'm hearing family. I'm hearing all these great things. And, you know, I'm wondering about the work life balance kind of thing. Is there such a thing, or how do you make it work?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 02:02

Yeah, I don't know if it works, but it works for me, and it's a learning every day. I mean, that's the beautiful thing about being a founder, is, you know, they say making your own schedule, but then if you're not working on your business, you feel like, Oh, my God, I'm not working on my business as an entrepreneur. But it's a balance that you have to strike. Because for me, at the end of the day, being a present mom, being there for my kids, like looking up in 30 years when my kids are like grown and knowing my husband and still having that beautiful relationship, that, to me, is the marker of success, not, you know, what did I build? You know? What did I sell my company for, you know, anything like that. So it is a balance. So it's just a daily priority of looking at, have I shown up for the kids today? Have I been a present wife for my husband and a present friend and daughter? And then everything else is kind of like second, but it's some days it's harder than others. So right, right?

Erik 02:59
Yeah, yeah, that meter is a little different each day, right?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 03:02
Yeah, and, you know, it's a balance. And right now I'm in a heavy travel schedule, so I'm gone. I just got back from New York, you know, on Friday, and so then the weekends are what we live for, and that reconnecting and reconvening and, you know, shifting of priorities, and then back on it on Monday. But so, yeah, it's a balance, you know.

Erik 03:20

I think about a kind of crazy question sometimes you get from others who may not know what it's like at home, you know, when you have maybe two young ones and, you know, you've got a family, and they go, Jennifer, how was your weekend? Was it relaxing? Nothing? And you're like, Yeah, everything. Yeah. Did everything.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 03:39

I did everything. And just like the shifting of like, the kids don't care. The kids don't care that you're building, you know, a Latina sports culture, the first Latina media company, they don't care. They just care if, like, Mom was present, are you having fun? You know, did you buy me the right snacks? And so weekends are for them, for sure.

Erik 03:59

Jennifer, that's a great perspective on life and the kind of balance we're talking about. Where do you think you learned that? Where did that sort of come from? Or is that just something new that you sort of discovered learning about the balance?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 04:13

Yeah, and that perspective, yeah, that is something that's being self taught, which hence, is like the always learning, right? And always evolving. I grew up with a stay at home mom. My mother was a saint. She was at everything, and so I didn't have a modeled behavior of a mother working outside of the home. So I do hold a lot of that mom guilt, like I can't go to this assembly, or I'm missing this because that was the behavior that was modeled for my mother and my dad, is that, you know, he has that first generation, you know, mentality. He was a migrant worker, you know, he was an agriculture worker, but he put himself through school. Put himself through college. Is running a successful accounting firm. It was just like for him, you know, not modeled behavior. Was just like work. Provide for your family. You know, the love that you provide from your family. Is like reflective of your work, and I have to do a lot of unbecoming of that one. That's one of the struggles that I've been working at personally, just as a human and as a mother and as a founder of those are two separate identities, and you have to learn how to balance that, because you can't replicate what you went through as a child for good or for bad, right? But, yeah, that is something that's constantly an unbecoming that I'm going through right now, but it's always

Kerel 05:26

the interesting thing you know, as being a kid and growing up and watching your parents do certain things, right? Obviously, we are all appreciative of the lives that our parents provided for us, right? But at the same time, we have the benefit of looking at them as a model and maybe sort of taking the good pieces from that and then adding that to our own game, right?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 05:48

Yeah, absolutely. And I get in some of them, you know, are really good pieces. And I always joke that I'm on the apology door right now. I call my mom almost every day, and I'm like, I am sorry. Like, I get it. Like we were awful children, yeah? I'm sorry I get it.

Erik 06:04
I'm wondering if every once while you talk to your sister too, you're like, Yo, remember that thing? Oh, I literally just did that.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 06:12
Literally called my sister today in the pickup line complaining about my mom, my dad, the kids and like, how we need to get back into therapy. So shout out to Jessica for that one.

Kerel 06:21

Jennifer, I want to talk a little bit about your career. Obviously, as Erik introduced you, co founder COO at drafted. But prior to that, you had a successful career at different brands in marketing, so on and so forth. And I was wondering if you could just take the audience through your career journey up until drafted, yeah,

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 06:42

you know, and my love of sports started even before starting drafted. I'm a former collegiate athlete. I paid Division Two softball. I have my undergrad in broadcasting. I thought I was going to be a sideline reporter producer, like my dream job was going to be on Real Sports with Brian Gumbel, you know, sitting on that couch next to him, telling these unique athlete stories, or sports stories that weren't on the norm, right, and that you weren't going to see at Sports Center, in depth storytelling. But from there, you know, my career took me to a little bit of sports marketing, you know, a lot of bit of PR advertising. And then I found myself, after grad school, really honing in on multicultural audiences, right? Specifically us Latinos. Where are we watching media? How are we consuming, you know, how are we moving through this world? Our power, purchasing power. So I was in that world for a while working as a, you know, an analyst at one of us young and then I just, like, took a hard left and went into like, non profit at the Girl Scouts again, finding that love of like, how are we empowering young girls and storytelling a little bit there as a marketer, and then I just really miss sports. And so then I entered into, you know, a major sports marketing agency, where I spent the rest of my corporate career, kind of straddling that line between sports audiences, multicultural audiences, working with huge brands like State Farm, 18 T Frito Lay of how are we moving us Hispanic, Latino consumers through the lens of sports? And just did that for years. And that's kind of where was a turning point for me. Became a mom, had my two kids at this agency, but it's rough. I mean, you can imagine agency life. You're always constantly working. I was always flying out for client meetings and pitches. I had these two tiny little babies at home, and just because of my identities, I knew sticking out an agency life wasn't going to be right for me as a woman, as a Latina, as a mom, and so I broke away and just started consulting myself. So that's what I did for many years, before I found it drafted with my co founder, Karina.

Kerel 08:50
And then where did the idea of drafted come from?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 08:54

It's beautiful and not that beautiful at the same time. You know, I met Karina about five years ago through an entrepreneurship community, and we hit it off right away. She ran her own successful PR agency out in LA and, you know, we would always pull each other into our consulting work and client work. And then last year, I mean, really, it was 2023, she came to me and was like, I'm ready to build, you know, something for Latinas that's for us, and it's owned by us and started by us, instead of working on other people's business, right, as a service provider does. And she said Latinas, and she's like, I'm thinking sports. And she didn't even finish her sentence before I was like, hell yeah, right? Between me being a former athlete, a love of storytelling, a veteran sports marketer, and knowing the power that Latinas have in consumption and just purchasing power and passion, I was like, I'm in. That's it. And with that, I mean, we got to work and started building, drafted

Kerel 09:52
awesome, and where's the business at today?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 09:57

In 12 months, we've been able to cultivate an audience of three. 30,000 across channels, and we've already hit eight brand partnership deals. I mean, you're talking 12 months like, I sometimes think like, oh my God, how did we do this so quickly? But that just shows that the appetite is there, the hunger is there, and it's resonating with the audience because we know her, because we are her, right? So there's no patronizing, Spanglish language or, you know, falsities. It's real. It's built with integrity. And we're just really excited and really damn proud of what we built in such a short time, and what's on the horizon for us,

Kerel 10:33

that's awesome. And congrats to all the success over the last 12 months. I know it's been a lot of hard work, give me one of the most eye opening things that you've encountered as you've been on this journey.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 10:47

I mean, eye opening, it's got to be personal for me. It's just the fact that, oh shit, we did this like, and we're doing it right. It literally was an idea. She called me on the phone, and I feel like the next day, I was already on a plane to LA and we were like whiteboarding right in her co working space, and drafted literally just was an idea on a wall. And the fact that we took that risk and we had the audacity and the bravery and the know how to, you know, bring it to where it is today and road plan for the future, that just amazes me. And I rarely, hardly sit down and think about it, and you're just catching me on a good week where I'm like, wow, where I really started been sitting down. I'm like, Oh, damn, this is really cool, and this is going to be something big.

Erik 11:32

That's cool. Jennifer, you said something earlier that stood out to me. It's like, you understand her, because you are her, right? And, you know, I want to ask you a little bit more about that, right? About Latina fandom, right? I think about a little bit of what you've been working on with the fan Latina fandom report, yeah. And so can you take us through a little bit of understanding the Latina fan mindset, like, tell us who her is, yeah.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 12:00

And that's the report, is beautiful, the Latina fandom report, because that was one thing where I came to Karina, you know, as a former strategist, and the agencies like you got to base your strategy and your business plans off of data and insights. Like, we're past this pulling on your heartstrings for inclusion, for the inclusion sake, it's the right thing to do. It's like, no, we need to continue to prove out that we're leaving money on the table by not including and engaging an under monetized market. And it is so funny, we had a research partner for that amazing group out of Minnesota, sprocket, and the research analyst assistant was, you know, this white man named Tim, and when we did the, you know, the analyzation of that report, he came back, and he's like, can you believe it? Like, for every one Jersey a white fan has a Latina has seven or more. And I'm like, yeah. Tim, like, that's not news to me. Latinas are through the roof and passion, and they have like six favorite teams, versus just like two. And I'm like, Yes, I know this, but it's beautiful to see you witness it for the first time. Tim, like, I love that, but across the board, I mean, yeah, you're looking at the growth of women's sports. You know, Latinos are driving that. Some of their favorite leagues are WNBA and NWSL merchandising, you know, driving purchases. One of the money stats that I love. We have a slide in the report. And I always tell everybody, this is your money slide. Print this out and put it on your bullet. Put it on your bulletin board, especially if you're like in a fan development role and on a team. Side is that Latinas can influence others around them twice the rate than a white female fan or a white male fan across seven categories. So that's like attending a game, purchasing tickets, following somebody on social buying merchandise. So it's like, if you want to create movement and focus on an influencer who can move people to actually purchase and drive to a game, you know, and butts in seats, you've got to be looking at the US Latina that's awesome.

Erik 13:59

I hope everybody gets a chance to sort of read that and learn a lot more. There's some really cool stuff in there about, you know, understanding that Latina fan mindset. I love the little teasers you have in there about, like, Game Day rituals, right? And the power of influence, a lot of really cool stuff. So I hope folks check it out and then take some time to really understand that mindset. It's pretty cool. Yeah, absolutely.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 14:21

And remind me, I'll send you a code. We'll put a code. We'll put it in the show notes for a complimentary download of that.

Erik 14:25

Love. It Excellent. Something else I wanted to ask you about Jennifer too. It was pretty cool learning about misma project. Talk to us a little bit about misma project and what it sort of means for you, too.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 14:38

Yeah. So misma project, I started late 2022 early 23 before, you know, drafted became a thing. And to me, that was again, in my own identity as a Latina, as a second generation Mexican American, as a woman, just looking at I can't be the only Latina in the world with these thoughts. There's got to be some. Anybody else who shares the same thoughts, right? Same and misma English and Spanish there. And so I was like, let me do what I do best is just talk to people and, you know, create a story. So misma was this audio archive of the US Latina experience. And, you know, you guys are in the podcasting game way better than me. I think I got to, like, 10 episodes and started drafting, and it had to fall off to the wayside, but that was just purely a passion project of a collection of our stories. And I think that's the beautiful thing. We have to solidify these stories so we don't get erased. I think that so many people can, you know, you're shaking your head, Karel, and I think it's just like that. You know, our stories are never told. What's the famous line that the histories written by the victors, and very often, people of color, not the victors in history right now? And so it's like we have to do our damnedest to archive this history of ours and our stories, because if not, we're going to be erased.

Erik 16:00

Jennifer, you know, Latina, Mexican American, you grew up here, but something that stood out to me was, besides going to college here, you actually went to school in Mexico as well, right? Yeah, in Monterrey. So I'm curious about what the experience is like for you, growing up here, learning here, but very much connected to your culture, but then actually going to school somewhere completely different. What was that like for you?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 16:28

Yeah, it was because the connection was not there, right? So where I grew up in a smaller West Texas town, the name of the game was assimilation, right? So I'm not even fully bilingual, which is like a pain in my heart that I try to overcome every day. But the name of the game to my parents was like, just assimilate. Be like everybody else, quote, unquote, everybody else, which meant that normal, standardized white stereotype, you know, don't be othered. My parents would get in trouble for speaking Spanish at school, so they didn't want my sister and I to have that same experience, so just assimilate, and because of the choices that we had to make for survival, right, and not to be a target, I did feel like I lost a lot of my connection to my culture, my cultura, my roots. And you know, I think studying abroad was one of those pivotal points in my life that just completely changed the trajectory of my life and completely out of character back then. I was like, I had to have a plan. You know, don't rock the boat, not very spontaneous or courageous. And then one day, I'm a freshman in college, I see this flyer for studying abroad, and I was like, oh, I should do that, and I should go to Mexico, and I should learn more about my ancestors and my roots and where I came from. That idea just came to me, and before I know it, I have three or four travel study abroad under my belt, constantly going back to Mexico and finding myself and learning more about my ancestry and this history that I never knew existed, because I sure as hell didn't learn into my Texas classroom.

Kerel 17:59

And Jennifer, I have to imagine that even now, as you know, you started this company, right? Co founder, so going back home, right, if you will, and sort of discovering more about your heritage helps you be more of who you are today, right?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 18:18

Oh absolutely. I cringe to think about, you know, how I used to think or walk through the world and not tied to my identity and my culture. It was never like fully erased, or, you know, I still had this Latina grit in me, but to put structure around it and this openness and even not only to my identity, but for other identities and lived experiences, and having this cultural competency of like, there's so much more in this world that hasn't been taught to us we have to go explore. That's completely changed my outlook on life.

Kerel 18:53

Thanks for sharing that. And I want to ask maybe a little bit more of a sensitive question here, in terms of being a woman founder, a Latina, can you share with us if that's created, any challenges, barriers that you and your co founder have had to overcome in launching your company, and how have you overcome them? I mean, I know the answer is yes, but for the audience, right? I think it's important, if you wouldn't mind just sharing some advice for that, because I'm sure we have plenty of listeners who want to start their own business one day, who are Latinas listening to this episode, and I think they would love to hear from you. You know how you sort of overcome some of those challenges? Yeah.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 19:41

I mean, of course the answer is yes. And it's like, you're putting women, you know, Latina women and sports, in the same category. And it's like, Oh, that's cute, or Oh, that's really niche. And it's like, okay, really niche of 20 million plus, you know, women with the purchasing power the size of Florida, like, oh yeah, that's real cute, you know. And so it's just not taking no for an. Sir, for me, I'm in a really unique situation to where I have a co founder, and I think anybody who's listening who has this idea, I would highly recommend finding that partner, Karina, is amazing. We're complete opposites. So together, we make this superhuman. But you know, it's hard, and you're gonna hear a lot of no's. Karina and I always screenshot the no's, and we're saving them for the tell all book or that moment we can, hey, I have receipts, sir, but you're gonna face hardships like, yes, it's hard funding. It's hard getting out of your imposter syndrome zone. You just gotta keep pushing. You know, don't worry about getting from a zero to 100 just worry about getting to zero to 10, and then once you hit that 1010, to 20, you know, and 20 to 30 and so on. Just take it step by step, but know your worth and just keep fighting. Just keep fighting.

Kerel 20:54

Love it. Love it. One other thing that that sort of stood out to me, that you and your partner had to overcome. You spoke about this when you attended my class, which is the stereotype related to the Latina sports fan, and how you had to sort of educate the marketplace on that. Can you speak to that a little bit as well, too? Yeah.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 21:16

And I think I even mentioned in your class when we first started, you know, even just building simple decks and pitch decks, you know, going to Google and typing in Latina sports fan, Google would auto create it to, oh, did you mean Latino? It's like, No, I meant Latina. And then the images that you would get, you know, and everybody do your own thing, but it'd be like, you know, girls in bikinis or face painted. And it was just like, Okay, that is a stereotypical Latina sexy fan, but what about the everyday fan? Right? What about me? I'm a mom of two cheering for the Green Bay Packers like I'm not in bikini in my living room. And so it's even just the imagery around it that we had to go and create images of Latina sports fans and AI because that narrative didn't exist. So everything that we're doing, we're having to build this basis, whether it's what AI images are we generating, right? What reports are we doing with the Latina fandom report, what data and insights that we can start stacking on each other again to prove out we're a viable segment, we are a viable consumer, and we're highly passionate. And once you feel seen. You can't be unseen. So just striving for that every single day to be seen.

Erik 22:25
Jennifer, I think about a pretty cool post that I saw you share on a social channel. It's about, I think about a pretty cool post that I saw you share on a social channel. It's about a day your daughter had at school and she had some work. Can you tell everybody what your daughter wrote, your job is about?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 22:44
Oh, I don't even remember this post. 

Erik 22:47
So it must have been a day about where they're like, tell me what your mommy does, or tell me what her work is. It literally says her job is about Latinas.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 22:57 

That's right. That's right. You see the research we do on the show. Top notch. Top notch. Over here, I love it. You went deep, yeah, the fact that she wrote that my job is about Latinas, they know, right, especially the seven year old, so she can read, so I have things in my office. Or, you know, Latinas in sports, even my little one last year in, you know, NCAA March Madness, we were watching, and they're watching with me. And Rebecca Lobo is an analyst, right for ESPN and she's Latina. She was the first Latina in the WNBA, how she probably started the W and, you know, another game, another game. Even my five year old says, mommy, she's Latina. And I was like, Yes, she is. Yes she is. And it's just about that representation, and we talk about it openly. My husband's white, and he's, like, the biggest feminist and Latina, he had no clue what he was getting himself into when he married me, but now he does, and it's like it starts in the home. But you know, if I can change a little piece of the world, or at least my corner of it, even with my two little daughters, then that's a win for me. That's

Erik 23:56

great. Yeah, I asked you that because I was curious about now, you know being a founder, finding success, understanding entrepreneurship, having a successful partnership, but then also you have this other life too. You know being a successful athlete and sort of growing your career in that too. What are one or two things from the work life that you feel like you pass on to your kids. And what are one or two things from, let's say, your former athlete days that you feel like you you sort of share with your kids. You

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 24:31

know, from the athlete perspective, we're just starting that journey, right? They're starting to try their hand at soccer and tennis and swimming. They don't want to play softball, which they're fine. I'm not going to push it.

Kerel 24:44
You're a little disappointed, though.

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 24:48

Like, listen, as long as you're, like, learning the power of your own body and pushing your limits, I go to the gym every single day, right? I spend an hour in the gym. That's my me time. That's me. Reconnecting to me and pushing myself. And I'm not in there taking, like, a yoga class. I'm moving weights, you know, deadlift, back squat, you know, incline, brunch, press. How far can I go? This is heavy, but let me add five more pounds, you know. And next week I'm gonna add 10 more pounds. And I think that's one of those things that I want to teach my girls, is you have power, and you can push yourself just try and just try it. That's one of the biggest things I always tell my kids, you know, they're like, Oh, Mommy, I can't do this. You know, monkey bars. Case in point, this weekend, I can't do this. Don't say I can't just say I've never done this before. I need a try. And I think that's a direct reflection on the business side, too. Right here as hell, I can't do this. Well, no, shit, you've never done it before, so just try the best that you can do, and you're going to get a lesson learned, and like a true athlete, take that lesson and put into your game plan for next time.

Kerel 25:49
Nice, nice. Jennifer, what's something you wish you were better at?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 25:55

Everything? The competitive athlete in me. I'm like, I can do that better next time, or I can do that by somebody else. I'm not perfect at it, but I am getting better. Is my recovery time after a loss, right? After a no, you know? And it's hard because this work is meaningful for me, yeah, this is something that I it's in my soul. It's not just to make $1 and so when I hear that no, it does take me down for a second and again, and having that partner and somebody like Karina who's just immediate, like, Nope, okay, let's move on, and I have to sit in it for a second and process that feelings and my recovery time is getting shorter, which is a great thing, but I wish it would just be like a millisecond recovery instead of, you know, half a day or a Day.

Kerel 26:39

It's interesting. You say that because I heard, I think it was Shannon Sharpe say today that when he was playing, the losses hurt more than the wins felt good. And that must be an athlete

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 26:55

It is, and it's like, there's also a different mentality of like I love to win versus I hate to lose, like I hate to lose. And I think that's just, again, the heart of an athlete, and that really helps me as a founder, too. I just really hate to lose. So gotcha,

Kerel 27:12
what's a book or movie that every person should read or watch?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 27:17

I have a couple of them, and I wrote them down because I didn't want to forget here one of the books that I read in the last couple of years that really hit home for me was, you sound like a white girl, the case of rejecting assimilation by Julius RSA. That was just one where I was like, ooh. Like, Yep, that was one of those lived experiences that I knew I wasn't the only one. So to read her words on the page and feel that connection of like, okay, I'm not alone in this. And you felt it too, or you experienced similar things, was really big for me. And then from a movie perspective, I finally just got around to watching it last month. Was a million miles away, starring Michael Pena, and that's the movie on Amazon about where he's a Mexican American farm worker, and then he becomes an astronaut. And literally, this, it's a true story. This gentleman's the same age as my dad, and so to see the reflection of like, oh, that could have been my dad, you know, because my dad was a farm worker as well growing up. So like, that could have been my dad. Or, like seeing that representation on the screen of somebody who was, you know, a farm worker, was dealt a certain hand in life, but never gave up and persisted and was able to go to space like, that's the American dream. That's the American story. And I think it's important for everybody to watch that, to human lives Latinos, especially in today's climate, and not forget that, like Latinos make history. And again, you need to know that as an American history and understand it. So I think that's a really important film as well. Love it. Thank you for that.

Kerel 28:54
What's in your music rotation

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 28:57

that's crazy, right? With the two kids, like, I am jamming out, and then the next song on shuffle is, like, from the troll soundtrack. I'm like, oh my god, can you stop using my Spotify different moods, right? So it's like, young Miko and I'm at the gym a little reggaeton, but then when I'm just like, relaxing, maybe having a nice beverage at the end of the day, it's a little bit of Zach Bryant. So it's just all over the place. And I grew up in town, grew up in Texas, so it's like, I have country roots and roots and little bit of like reggaeton. So it's all over the place thing.

Erik 29:30

Nice. Sounds like mine. Jennifer, thank you so much for hanging out with us. There's a lot of fun learning about you and everything else. Jennifer, our audience likes to stay in touch a lot. What are some ways that they can find you and follow you?

Jennifer Yepez-Blundell 29:43

Yeah, I would love it if you would follow us over at drafted on Instagram. So we are drafted. CO on Instagram. You know, find me as well. Jennifer epples bundle on Instagram. Find me on LinkedIn. Love to connect. Love meeting new people and learning about your lived experience. And whether it's a collaboration or not, but just of support, I'd love to hear from your audience.

Erik 30:05

Excellent. Thanks again, Jennifer, and thanks everyone for listening to another episode. You can find more episodes where you find all of your audio and video. Just search Minority Report podcast and look for the logo. Thank you. You.